Imperial Law / A change in myself (2 topic post)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:47 am

(Note: I have been informed no missions are planed for a wile so Iâ€™ll have some free time on my hands for the next week or so as well as I am on medical leave for reason listed below)

A change in myself...

I dont like war, its just my job. But seeing what i must do for a 2nd time has changed me. In the short time since i have been called back to active service i have flown 2 missions already, in one a friend of mine was killed.

The first time in Iraq my best friend was killed due to carelessness and laziness, thatâ€™s why i am uptight about it. All of you have lost loved ones and friends, but i dont think any of them have died in your arms. This man literally died in my arms, and its something i thought i could live with, and something i thought would only happen once.

Well once again i was wrong, it happened again. I think i have really truly woken up the realities of war. I thought i knew what it was all about; i thought i knew it all. Once again my friends i was wrong. War is not over religion or land or money or oil... itâ€™s about little arguments that grow bigger. Its about a man stepping on your foot one day, never saying he was sorry, and you getting so mad you act violently.

Itâ€™s about someone who disagrees with another and kills over it. Its about knowing someone else has a different faith then yourself, but you wont accept that that is their freedom, to live life as they wish.

My view on faith is this, Believe in whatever you want, just accept that other think differently and respect that. Respect that they can and should freely believe what ever they want, and that you yourself do swell. Respect their choice. You may not agree with it, but respect they made a choice, just as you made one yourself.

I've also brought myself out of the US mindset. The US is not the best country, we have done things others and I am not proud of. But so have all the other countries. Dont say, "God bless the US, and no one else" say "Gob bless the US, the UK, Canada, and the rest of the worldâ€ No one country is better then the other. They each have good things about them, and they each have bad things about them too. Countries are like people, each ones is different, with their own talents and flaws. As such if I hear someone saying, â€œThe US is the bestâ€ I am, going to correct them. But in turn one must understand the ideas of being patriotic, and being paranoid, and the line between them, thought the line is shady, and has many shades of gray, I trust each of you will use your integrity to tell the difference.

We also must understand death is unavoidableâ€¦ we all die sometime. One could die 3 days from now; one could die 3 decades from now. My point is live life to the fullest and love your family and friends wile you can, because they may not be there tomorrow. This is my problem, the man who died in my arms, the night before I was mean to him because he made a stupid little mistake and we had a disagreement. I didnâ€™t want him dieing thinking I hated him; here the truth is I love him like a brother. Donâ€™t make my mistake. Because of this I am depressed and stressed out.

Imperial Law...

First off I want to thank Fleet Admiral Polanski for adding all the "Imperial Law" information into the web site. This way is charges need to be brought up one can know which charges another can be brought up on if he/she did something wrong. And this way if some one says they will bring you up on charges you can see which ones they are talking about, and you can see exactly what you did wrong. This being said i want again to thank FA Polanski for adding this (unless some one else added it, then thanks to them)

But i feel the need to point something out...

1. Through out imperial law the ISB plays a very very large role... and since the ISB has been disbanded, large sections of Imperial Law is no longer in effect. Because there is no ISB some steps are unable to be completed, as such courts cannot presently be conducted, at least not legally. If a court were conducted with the ISB disbanded, it would be illegal, as no due process is capable of being completed. As stated before there is no due process in effect so no charges can be brought to court... does anyone else see this as a problem? So we can either activate the ISB back up and send a few people over there (I volunteer as I am on leave and have free time with nothing to do) or edit Imperial Law

2. I love law, itâ€™s confusing complicated and interpreted in so many different ways. Much like the US construction Imperial Law is capable to stretch to fit the times and needs of the GE... but i find it is very unfavorable to try and secure and select a breach in conduct, and to find out the differences in the charges. Lets face it; the GE has changed more then the GA ever expected. We must act on this. I feel the current Imperial Law needs to be reviewed and edited. To what i know so far i have the most background in law, as such i have already written up a draft of edits for the Imperial Law overall.

LC La Forge · Post by **LC La Forge** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:01 am

A) I put it up there, btw.

B) Just because the ISB is not active no does NOT mean Imperial Law is no longer in effect. Quite the contrary. However, in this situation, the Supreme Commander can and will deal with all infractions of Imperial Law personally as he sees fit. He is the Supreme Commander - that is his right.

Also: While it is a good and thought out suggestion, there are other issues that need to be taken care of first, such as combat systems, website additions/updates, and other various little tasks that need to be recreated from the old Imperial Nexus.

Post by **Fel** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:17 am

At the moment the Supreme Commander or a DivCom (at the Supreme Commander's Discretion) handles such incidents when they arise. I suspect strongly that Imperial Law will be rewritten in due time.

SSG Hunter · Post by **SSG Hunter** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:42 am

Wow. That was very powerful, Solisisen. My condolences are offered.

RES Mitchell · Post by **RES Mitchell** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:53 am

I'm terribly sorry to hear about your friend, Sol. I don't blame you for the change of heart that you've had. I hope to God that I'll never have to experience what you've had to experience over there. I will always believe that America is the best country there is (this country's been too kind to me tomake me think differently), but that doesn't mean it's even close to perfect (any good American ought to see that). We can't save the world by ourselves. Hell, we have trouble keeping ourselves safe. America only lowers itself by thumbing its nose to the rest of the world and pissing off our allies by rubbing our greatness in their faces.

I'm no globalist, but I'm no flag-waving maniac. Patriotism should not cloud reality and the concept of right and wrong. As you said, Sol, the US has done some despicable things in its brief history, things that no good American should be proud of (for those who don't believe me, look at Latin America and find out why it's been a sinkhole for the past 180 years. America is not entirely to blame, but it has engaged in an almost-criminal body of foreign policy ever since Latin America gained its independence in the 1820's that have left the region in a permanent state of underdevelopment. Play that Lee Greenwood now, baby!). I pray we can do better in Iraq. We cannot afford to fail the Iraqi people, lest our chances of winning the War on Terror beome hopelessly diminished (I apologize if that sounds like yucky propaganda to you, Sol).

I will keep you and Jessica in my thoughts and prayers, Sol. I hope you don't mind a good word to the Man Upstairs now and then. Take care and Godspeed, buddy.

Post by **Jagged Fel** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:19 am

Just echoing what's been said before me (read your post a while ago, just really couldn't put a response into words). I too am one of those who realize that blind patrotism is stupid, and acknowledge the things this country has done. I guess medical leave is both good and bad, but stay safe, man.

Post by **Vortagh** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:22 pm

Who are you and what have you done with Mitchell and Solidis?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:37 pm

Well is written in Imperial Law it does not state anywhere that the Supreme Commander can take charge of all of the ISB's powers/duites. I have nothing agenst Pol having these powers or acting as such for the time being, i mearly want to address that none of this is explaned in imperial law. So politicly there is nothing we can do, as imperial law stands now its useless... i mean if you follow it word for word, as it should be followed.

The only way the supreme commander can take charge of ISB powers is if he edits that into Imperial Law. Intell then he has none of the ISB powers. Laforge and Fel, you talk about what he can do, but he cant do that now as its not written anywhere. Therefor this could be classifed as "Comonen Law", but inturn this type of law can be a big problem in an imperial court as its not described enough. If its not written down we must assume the power does not exist or is not given to anyone. As a former lawyer i am big on this topic and i will follow Imperial Law to the font.

I have looked over Law for other gaming groups and i have deeply review'd our laws. I think its way overdue for some changes. Because as it the FA can do nothing, not legaly by Imperial Law anyhow...

Vort - I am a diffrent person now then i was meer weeks ago, I just hope i have changed for the better.

Calder · Post by **Calder** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:14 pm

I don't know what is posted now, but the original breakdown of Imperial Law in the Imperial Articles of War gave full authority to the Supreme Commander with the ISB General and the Procurator of Justice working as his proxies in their respective fields.

At the moment, with no ISB in place - there is no need for an enforcement agency given the size of the GE - these matters are handled on an ad hoc basis by the Supreme Commander and/or his designates: in this case the High Command.

I'm sure I do not need to point out to you that there are different types of legal systems. The British system, for example, is much different than the US and is based more on precedent. We currently operate in a system similiar to that.

COL Longstreet · Post by **COL Longstreet** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:24 pm

Sorry for your friend, Sol. I can understand every pain and feelings, I lost a lot of friends, started with my twin brother. Some years ago I thought the same way, no I think that the dead is not an end, just a change, and at all a good thing, not mattering the how and when.

A clear

for your mental changes, if they are as you described it is
(in my opinion) a very good thing!

Keep alive, hope to hear from you!

LC Eddard Stark · Post by **LC Eddard Stark** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:41 pm

Don't get me wrong I'm not a lawyer or anything but... While all members of the Imperial Military are goverened by Imperial law do they not fall under Imperial Military Law before the civilian law? I mean, look at todays military. If your in uniform of whatever country your CO can and usually does deal with the small charges of misconduct and things of that nature, so why would it be so wrong for the FA under military law to be able to dispense justice as he sees fit when the need arises?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:36 pm

Stark, thats it. I have nothing agenst FA Polanski being able to do such things, in fact i think he should. What the problem is, is that its not really listed and its not discribed to well. As i can see its just little changes here and there.

Captain Calder, i am aware of the many forms of Govt and their impact on law. A'll i'm saying is that overall Imperial Law is not discribed enough in depth. And that if you follow Imperial Law word for word, the ISB is needed for court cases. This is not to say i agree with it, i think we dont need the ISB right now, but acording to Imperial Law, the GE needs the ISB even if there is only one member.

So here is what i am thinking, we can either...

1. Activate the ISB, and move PoJ as an ISB position or just incorparate the jobs of PoJ into the ISB. Now i know some people wouldnt want this, but if need be, ISB can be a TDA job, i myself dont like this idea but its an idea. Since day one of my joinning the GE, i've allways wanted to be in the ISB, and i dont to see it die, and from reading Imperial Law we need it.

2. Edit Imperial Law

Jacob Jansen · Post by **Jacob Jansen** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:15 pm

The SC can take care of all ISB issues. There is no need to have anyone else dedicated to working with it. In all my years, not once did I ever have any issues where the ISB needed to get involved. There are also more important things to be done than editing Imperial Law.

Post by **Fel** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:17 pm

I do know that there have been cases where the ISB have become involved -- one in particular comes to mind: Mr. RayCav. But that is another matter entirely. The SC can do anything, really, it's his Empire - and that includes the duties of the ISB...

As stated, Imperial Law is to be editted, but it's not a high priority item right now.

SSG Hunter · Post by **SSG Hunter** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:08 pm

The ISB accually did something?